Comments for Mormons for Proposition 8 http://mormonsfor8.com Tue, 07 Sep 2010 22:03:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 Comment on Mormon Political Actions by Schubert Flint on How They Got Prop 8 Passed — Mormons for Proposition 8 http://mormonsfor8.com/?page_id=78#comment-886 Schubert Flint on How They Got Prop 8 Passed — Mormons for Proposition 8 Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:28:27 +0000 http://mormonsfor8.com/?page_id=78#comment-886 [...] of the specific plans and activities supported on the LDS scaffolding for the Yes on 8 campaign are linked to here. Mormon wards began organizing in late July in order to be a force to be seen in mid-August. [...] [...] of the specific plans and activities supported on the LDS scaffolding for the Yes on 8 campaign are linked to here. Mormon wards began organizing in late July in order to be a force to be seen in mid-August. [...]

]]> Comment on LDS Church: Another $180,000 went to Prop 8 support by admin http://mormonsfor8.com/?p=269#comment-819 admin Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:08:59 +0000 http://mormonsfor8.com/?p=269#comment-819 The Protect Marriage coalition had to file amended contribution reports after it found out about LDS Church donations that were reported by the Church directly to the CA Secretary of State on Jan 30, 2009. A PM spokesman was interviewed by the Salt Lake Tribune this week, but the interview didn't say why PM was unaware of the extent of the Church's contributions until after the Church filed its Major Donor Contribution Reports with the CA Secretary of State on Jan. 30, 2009. The filing deadline for both the LDS Church and PM was February 2, 2009, and both organizations filed their contribution reports on January 30, 2009, so it appears the PM folks did not know what the LDS contribution amounts were prior the Church's filing. It is possible that the Church notified PM of its contributions at the same time it notified the CA Secretary of State of its contributions, but that's something we cannot tell from the electronic filings available on the internet. Because there was some lag time between the time the Church reported its contributions and the time the PM folks filed their amended reports, there was some confusion about whether reports had been timely filed by the appropriate entities. The LDS Church has posted a list of its Prop 8-related filings on its website. A list of amended filings follows. Most can be found here <a href="http://cal-access.sos.ca.gov/Campaign/Committees/Detail.aspx?id=1302592&view=electronic&session=2007" rel="nofollow">at this link</a>. -------------- This is the ProtectMarriage.com report that has all of the LDS Church donations for the the second quarter of 2008 listed in it. It can be found in the Electronic Filings section of the 2007-2008 election cycle. The Church contributions begin on Schedule C. FILING PERIOD: 04/01/2008-06/30/2008 FILED ON: 2/4/2009 6:32:06 PM FILING NUMBER: 1350174 AMENDMENT 3 ------------ This is the amended filing for the 3rd quarter of 2008 which picks up the September contributions from the LDS Church. It can be found on the Electronic Filings section of the 2007-2008 donation cycle page. Contributions are aggregated and filed as total daily receipts. The Church contributions begin on Schedule C. RECIPIENT COMMITTEE CAMPAIGN STATEMENT (F460) FILING PERIOD: 07/01/2008-09/30/2008 FILED ON: 2/5/2009 11:55:10 AM FILING NUMBER: 1364931 AMENDMENT 4 ------------ This is the ProtectMarriage.com report that has all of the LDS Church donations for early Oct 2008 listed in it. It can be found in the Electronic Filings section of the 2007-2008 election cycle. The Church contributions begin on Schedule C.: RECIPIENT COMMITTEE CAMPAIGN STATEMENT (F460) FILING PERIOD: 10/01/2008-10/18/2008 FILED ON: 2/5/2009 4:19:22 PM FILING NUMBER: 1369259 AMENDMENT 2 ---- This is the ProtectMarriage.com Late Donation report that has most of the LDS Church donations (all donations of $1,000 or more) for the last half of 2008 listed in it. The donations that are not included in this form 497 report are those that are less than $1,000. (Sep 5th for ~$640: Sep 18 for ~$505; Oct. 4th donations for ~$222; Oct 16 donations for $700; Oct 29 for $333). Since these donations were less than $1,000, they only needed to be reported on form 460 (the reports listed above). Donations over $1,000 are reported on form 497 on a daily basis. For the purposes of these filings, it appears that PM.com has aggregated all donations made in one day into one line item (so, for instance, multiple SW Airline tickets are added together with multiple hotel room charges and the total for that day is more than $1,000 and gets a line item for the day on PM's report). This report can be found in the Electronic Filings section under the 2009-2010 Election Cycle. LATE CONTRIBUTION REPORT (F497) FILING PERIOD: 02/04/2009-02/04/2009 FILED ON: 2/4/2009 1:22:21 PM FILING NUMBER: 1389733 AMENDMENT 1 The Protect Marriage coalition had to file amended contribution reports after it found out about LDS Church donations that were reported by the Church directly to the CA Secretary of State on Jan 30, 2009. A PM spokesman was interviewed by the Salt Lake Tribune this week, but the interview didn’t say why PM was unaware of the extent of the Church’s contributions until after the Church filed its Major Donor Contribution Reports with the CA Secretary of State on Jan. 30, 2009. The filing deadline for both the LDS Church and PM was February 2, 2009, and both organizations filed their contribution reports on January 30, 2009, so it appears the PM folks did not know what the LDS contribution amounts were prior the Church’s filing. It is possible that the Church notified PM of its contributions at the same time it notified the CA Secretary of State of its contributions, but that’s something we cannot tell from the electronic filings available on the internet.

Because there was some lag time between the time the Church reported its contributions and the time the PM folks filed their amended reports, there was some confusion about whether reports had been timely filed by the appropriate entities. The LDS Church has posted a list of its Prop 8-related filings on its website.

A list of amended filings follows. Most can be found here at this link.

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This is the ProtectMarriage.com report that has all of the LDS Church donations for the the second quarter of 2008 listed in it. It can be found in the Electronic Filings section of the 2007-2008 election cycle. The Church contributions begin on Schedule C.

FILING PERIOD: 04/01/2008-06/30/2008 FILED ON: 2/4/2009 6:32:06 PM
FILING NUMBER: 1350174 AMENDMENT 3

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This is the amended filing for the 3rd quarter of 2008 which picks up the September contributions from the LDS Church. It can be found on the Electronic Filings section of the 2007-2008 donation cycle page. Contributions are aggregated and filed as total daily receipts. The Church contributions begin on Schedule C.

RECIPIENT COMMITTEE CAMPAIGN STATEMENT (F460)
FILING PERIOD: 07/01/2008-09/30/2008 FILED ON: 2/5/2009 11:55:10 AM
FILING NUMBER: 1364931 AMENDMENT 4

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This is the ProtectMarriage.com report that has all of the LDS Church donations for early Oct 2008 listed in it. It can be found in the Electronic Filings section of the 2007-2008 election cycle. The Church contributions begin on Schedule C.:

RECIPIENT COMMITTEE CAMPAIGN STATEMENT (F460)
FILING PERIOD: 10/01/2008-10/18/2008 FILED ON: 2/5/2009 4:19:22 PM
FILING NUMBER: 1369259 AMENDMENT 2

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This is the ProtectMarriage.com Late Donation report that has most of the LDS Church donations (all donations of $1,000 or more) for the last half of 2008 listed in it. The donations that are not included in this form 497 report are those that are less than $1,000. (Sep 5th for ~$640: Sep 18 for ~$505; Oct. 4th donations for ~$222; Oct 16 donations for $700; Oct 29 for $333). Since these donations were less than $1,000, they only needed to be reported on form 460 (the reports listed above). Donations over $1,000 are reported on form 497 on a daily basis. For the purposes of these filings, it appears that PM.com has aggregated all donations made in one day into one line item (so, for instance, multiple SW Airline tickets are added together with multiple hotel room charges and the total for that day is more than $1,000 and gets a line item for the day on PM’s report). This report can be found in the Electronic Filings section under the 2009-2010 Election Cycle.

LATE CONTRIBUTION REPORT (F497)
FILING PERIOD: 02/04/2009-02/04/2009 FILED ON: 2/4/2009 1:22:21 PM
FILING NUMBER: 1389733 AMENDMENT 1

]]> Comment on Why Single Out the Mormons? by John http://mormonsfor8.com/?p=258#comment-807 John Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:07:27 +0000 http://mormonsfor8.com/?p=258#comment-807 Geoff As long as you wish to see people and groups as enemies you will never be free to just be yourself and will instead always be something else. Gay - Straight does not matter, it's who you are that matters. Geoff

As long as you wish to see people and groups as enemies you will never be free to just be yourself and will instead always be something else. Gay - Straight does not matter, it’s who you are that matters.

]]> Comment on Why Single Out the Mormons? by John http://mormonsfor8.com/?p=258#comment-806 John Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:04:22 +0000 http://mormonsfor8.com/?p=258#comment-806 The only thing that I find confusing in all of this is the amount of vitriol displayed on both sides but especially on the part of those who lost. Yes the Mormons may have outspent everyone else but let's be honest. No amount of money was going to make a majority of people decide to vote against their conscience. And if the argument here is that the money is what makes the difference then couldn't the same aspersions be made against the winner of the recent presidential election? After all I think the winning side outspent the losing side by a margin of 4 to 1. The only thing that I find confusing in all of this is the amount of vitriol displayed on both sides but especially on the part of those who lost. Yes the Mormons may have outspent everyone else but let’s be honest. No amount of money was going to make a majority of people decide to vote against their conscience. And if the argument here is that the money is what makes the difference then couldn’t the same aspersions be made against the winner of the recent presidential election? After all I think the winning side outspent the losing side by a margin of 4 to 1.

]]> Comment on Why Single Out the Mormons? by Chris http://mormonsfor8.com/?p=258#comment-805 Chris Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:48:42 +0000 http://mormonsfor8.com/?p=258#comment-805 AMEN DH! I whole-heartedly agree with you. My voting for Prop 8 had nothing to do with hate, but with having society accept something that I believe is not what God intended. Love, as taught in the Bible, does not mean accepting sin, but loving the individual and supporting them to build their relationship with God. AMEN DH! I whole-heartedly agree with you. My voting for Prop 8 had nothing to do with hate, but with having society accept something that I believe is not what God intended. Love, as taught in the Bible, does not mean accepting sin, but loving the individual and supporting them to build their relationship with God.

]]> Comment on Why Single Out the Mormons? by DH http://mormonsfor8.com/?p=258#comment-803 DH Wed, 26 Nov 2008 04:43:36 +0000 http://mormonsfor8.com/?p=258#comment-803 I am pleased that proposition 8 passed. I believe that marriage should only be between a man and a woman. The world is changing, so I doubt that for much longer it will remain that way. No matter what the votes or people say though, the truth will not change. Men and women were made for each other - naturally. And I believe that God designed it as such. I am pleased that proposition 8 passed. I believe that marriage should only be between a man and a woman. The world is changing, so I doubt that for much longer it will remain that way.

No matter what the votes or people say though, the truth will not change. Men and women were made for each other - naturally. And I believe that God designed it as such.

]]> Comment on Why Single Out the Mormons? by Geoff Benjamin http://mormonsfor8.com/?p=258#comment-802 Geoff Benjamin Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:09:14 +0000 http://mormonsfor8.com/?p=258#comment-802 I'm confused by this thread. There seems to be a debate about whether or not the Mormon church is bigoted against gays and fought to deprive gays of equal recognition under the law. But isn't this obvious? Please correct me if I've go this wrong, but my understanding is that the church teaches that being gay is bad. Because it is bad Mormons want to help other Mormons not be gay. One way they want to do this is ensure that society does not view gays as equal to straights. So, when I declare that I am a happy well adjusted gay man the Mormon church begins to see me as an enemy. In return I see the Mormon church as an enemy. The fact that the Church employed its right to organize on an issue consistent with its teachings and beliefs does not make us enemies. We were enemies long before Prop 8. As long as the church oppresses people like me we will be enemies. We will clash most when the church flexes its power to oppress. This is such a clash. If the church limits its oppression to within its ranks, as it has historically, the clashes will be minimal. This is my answer to the question of "why mormons?" As to the guy who thinks that gays "can be cured," we can't. Your brother is still gay. I’m confused by this thread. There seems to be a debate about whether or not the Mormon church is bigoted against gays and fought to deprive gays of equal recognition under the law. But isn’t this obvious?
Please correct me if I’ve go this wrong, but my understanding is that the church teaches that being gay is bad. Because it is bad Mormons want to help other Mormons not be gay. One way they want to do this is ensure that society does not view gays as equal to straights.
So, when I declare that I am a happy well adjusted gay man the Mormon church begins to see me as an enemy. In return I see the Mormon church as an enemy. The fact that the Church employed its right to organize on an issue consistent with its teachings and beliefs does not make us enemies. We were enemies long before Prop 8. As long as the church oppresses people like me we will be enemies. We will clash most when the church flexes its power to oppress. This is such a clash. If the church limits its oppression to within its ranks, as it has historically, the clashes will be minimal.

This is my answer to the question of “why mormons?”

As to the guy who thinks that gays “can be cured,” we can’t. Your brother is still gay.

]]> Comment on Why Single Out the Mormons? by Greg http://mormonsfor8.com/?p=258#comment-801 Greg Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:50:25 +0000 http://mormonsfor8.com/?p=258#comment-801 Thanks for the insight, James. I think that in a couple of generations from now, people will look at these times as the days when society pushed young people experiencing gender confusion into the homsexual lifestyle. For parents and some professionals, it represents an easy way out. Instead of parents realizing that they may have made mistakes, they feel absolved of everything when a professional tells them that their child must be gay, and they should accept it. I think that as science continues to tell us that homosexuality is not biological, professionals will focus on the true causes and better be able to prevent them. I think progress in this area was set back a few decades by the assumption that homosexuality was genetic (that God made people this way, as some like to say). Thanks to tons of research that provides results to the contrary, the focus can be put in the right place - helping parents and caregivers realize what it is that creates gender/indentity confusion. Thanks for the insight, James. I think that in a couple of generations from now, people will look at these times as the days when society pushed young people experiencing gender confusion into the homsexual lifestyle. For parents and some professionals, it represents an easy way out. Instead of parents realizing that they may have made mistakes, they feel absolved of everything when a professional tells them that their child must be gay, and they should accept it.

I think that as science continues to tell us that homosexuality is not biological, professionals will focus on the true causes and better be able to prevent them. I think progress in this area was set back a few decades by the assumption that homosexuality was genetic (that God made people this way, as some like to say). Thanks to tons of research that provides results to the contrary, the focus can be put in the right place - helping parents and caregivers realize what it is that creates gender/indentity confusion.

]]> Comment on Why Single Out the Mormons? by Ivy Harding http://mormonsfor8.com/?p=258#comment-800 Ivy Harding Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:50:05 +0000 http://mormonsfor8.com/?p=258#comment-800 I find it funny that you try and minimize the effect of mormon's on this election on a site called "mormons48". Forget prop 8, a little scrutiny on the LDS church is LONG overdo. I can't wait to see the audit of how much money comes into the church and how much goes out to charities. Small percentages, I promise. That will be interesting. I find it funny that you try and minimize the effect of mormon’s on this election on a site called “mormons48″. Forget prop 8, a little scrutiny on the LDS church is LONG overdo. I can’t wait to see the audit of how much money comes into the church and how much goes out to charities. Small percentages, I promise. That will be interesting.

]]> Comment on Mormon Political Actions by The Case Against a Marriott Boycott: Marriott is not a Mormon organization — Authentic Organizations http://mormonsfor8.com/?page_id=78#comment-799 The Case Against a Marriott Boycott: Marriott is not a Mormon organization — Authentic Organizations Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:06:50 +0000 http://mormonsfor8.com/?page_id=78#comment-799 [...] Mormon churches, Mormon individuals and Mormon businesses have all become targets of activists, because of the Mormon Church’s comprehensive efforts, directly and indirectly, to mobilize its members to... [...] [...] Mormon churches, Mormon individuals and Mormon businesses have all become targets of activists, because of the Mormon Church’s comprehensive efforts, directly and indirectly, to mobilize its members to… [...]

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